if we get mercy, i think the process of mercy looks like probably car bombs in los angeles, washington, d.c., and des moines, iowa. >> this stuff is far outside the mainstream. but every person you just heard is an organizer or featured speaker at the same event with ted cruz. this problem is much bigger than the cruz family. it extends deep into the underside of right wing politics. it isn't about faith of politics. it's about paranoia and hate. joining me now is michael keegan his right wing watch blog tracks this extremist red rik. and frank schaffer. he's shore of the book "and good said, billy." thank you both for joining me. >> thanks for having us. >> this is really rough stuff. but not unfamiliar to you. what is this really about? >> well, listen, you know, we've talked about this before. you're one of the only in the mainstream media that gets it. the fact is america does not have a right wing political problem. america has a right wing religion problem. and when they talk about losing our heritage and all the rest of it, this is a kind of religious delusion i talk about in my